美國一天增5.5萬確診! 川普不再鐵齒: - 股票
By Kumar
at 2020-07-04T15:11
at 2020-07-04T15:11
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: 噓 wintxa : 還群體免疫勒 以為中了康復就不會再中了逆 07/04 11:21
: → gn1384181 : 這病毒群體免疫沒用,中了還是會得,而且中過抗體會 07/04 11:31
: → gn1384181 : 下降 07/04 11:32
: 推 Tosca : 這病毒中了不會再得好嘛 不要亂造謠 07/04 11:37
: → Tosca : 年初在那邊講復陽 都是被中國誤導 07/04 11:38
: → Tosca : 現在全世界一千多萬例 大家發現根本不會復陽 07/04 11:38
: → Tosca : 結果還一天到晚有人講中了會在得 到底是要怎樣啦 07/04 11:39
: 噓 wintxa : 醫生 你說中了不會再得是認真的嗎= = 07/04 12:19
我發現批踢踢鄉民們獲取的COVID-19學術資訊
幾乎清一色是中國研究結果
對中國以外的研究結果
記者完全不報導
鄉民也很少討論
只剩下我這類醫界同溫層會分享
不禁憂心起來
以最近很紅的所謂抗體只有兩三個月為例
這也是中國的研究而已
而且研究規模很小 不足百人
連李秉穎教授在電視上都說 他不相信這個研究=.=
但現在先不講抗體 先講其他的
我知道的目前研究進度
1.病理解剖
中國一開始是病情最嚴重的 是最先解剖沒錯
但一開始鐘南山只解剖了兩個!
然後跟大家說肺裡面有大量黏液
但後來其實陸續各國都有病理解剖研究報告出爐
德國最先死掉的十二個 全部都有解剖
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-2003
德國的報告告訴大家
不是只有肺部有黏液而已
事實上幾乎全身血管都有栓塞的問題
這些東西 台灣所有媒體都沒有提到
一堆台灣人甚至以為只有中國在做解剖
2.復陽問題
中國一開始報告可能會復陽
大家嚇死
但其實後來研究發現 復陽情況非常少見
美國哈佛醫學院甚至研究直接拿恆河猴來做重複感染
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/05/19/science.abc4776
結果發現根本不會復陽
全部的恆河猴
在第二次感染的時候
都有抵抗力
抗體會快速生成 對抗病毒
這些東西 台灣所有媒體 還是沒有提到
還在一天到晚復陽復陽
事實上動物實驗已經告訴大家
很難復陽
3.卡介苗問題
不知道是哪裡開始的網路謠言
說卡介苗能抵抗武漢肺炎
以色列的報告已經告訴大家
卡介苗完全沒有用
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2766182
以色列在1982以前全民施打卡介苗
1982以後只對特殊族群施打
結果有打沒打得拿來比較
卡介苗完全沒有防護力可言
這些東西
台灣媒體 還是完全沒有提到
一堆鄉民還在卡介苗可以預防武漢肺炎=.=
4.我不知道是中國刻意操弄
還是台灣媒體程度太差只能看中國的資料
全世界超過十萬例的國家已經一堆
中國的研究早就已經不重要了
他們病人也不是最多 死亡也不是最多
研究工具也不是最齊全
中國研究說真的 可以扔了=.=
結果怎麼台灣媒體還一天到晚引用中國研究
更麻煩的是 他們引用的時候還不知道那是中國的
因為他們也不會去找原始論文來看
不會知道原來那是中國寫的
但像我們會去找原始論文來看
就知道很多新聞寫的"國外研究"
其實都是中國研究 可信度是要打折的
--
: → gn1384181 : 這病毒群體免疫沒用,中了還是會得,而且中過抗體會 07/04 11:31
: → gn1384181 : 下降 07/04 11:32
: 推 Tosca : 這病毒中了不會再得好嘛 不要亂造謠 07/04 11:37
: → Tosca : 年初在那邊講復陽 都是被中國誤導 07/04 11:38
: → Tosca : 現在全世界一千多萬例 大家發現根本不會復陽 07/04 11:38
: → Tosca : 結果還一天到晚有人講中了會在得 到底是要怎樣啦 07/04 11:39
: 噓 wintxa : 醫生 你說中了不會再得是認真的嗎= = 07/04 12:19
我發現批踢踢鄉民們獲取的COVID-19學術資訊
幾乎清一色是中國研究結果
對中國以外的研究結果
記者完全不報導
鄉民也很少討論
只剩下我這類醫界同溫層會分享
不禁憂心起來
以最近很紅的所謂抗體只有兩三個月為例
這也是中國的研究而已
而且研究規模很小 不足百人
連李秉穎教授在電視上都說 他不相信這個研究=.=
但現在先不講抗體 先講其他的
我知道的目前研究進度
1.病理解剖
中國一開始是病情最嚴重的 是最先解剖沒錯
但一開始鐘南山只解剖了兩個!
然後跟大家說肺裡面有大量黏液
但後來其實陸續各國都有病理解剖研究報告出爐
德國最先死掉的十二個 全部都有解剖
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-2003
德國的報告告訴大家
不是只有肺部有黏液而已
事實上幾乎全身血管都有栓塞的問題
這些東西 台灣所有媒體都沒有提到
一堆台灣人甚至以為只有中國在做解剖
2.復陽問題
中國一開始報告可能會復陽
大家嚇死
但其實後來研究發現 復陽情況非常少見
美國哈佛醫學院甚至研究直接拿恆河猴來做重複感染
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/05/19/science.abc4776
結果發現根本不會復陽
全部的恆河猴
在第二次感染的時候
都有抵抗力
抗體會快速生成 對抗病毒
這些東西 台灣所有媒體 還是沒有提到
還在一天到晚復陽復陽
事實上動物實驗已經告訴大家
很難復陽
3.卡介苗問題
不知道是哪裡開始的網路謠言
說卡介苗能抵抗武漢肺炎
以色列的報告已經告訴大家
卡介苗完全沒有用
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2766182
以色列在1982以前全民施打卡介苗
1982以後只對特殊族群施打
結果有打沒打得拿來比較
卡介苗完全沒有防護力可言
這些東西
台灣媒體 還是完全沒有提到
一堆鄉民還在卡介苗可以預防武漢肺炎=.=
4.我不知道是中國刻意操弄
還是台灣媒體程度太差只能看中國的資料
全世界超過十萬例的國家已經一堆
中國的研究早就已經不重要了
他們病人也不是最多 死亡也不是最多
研究工具也不是最齊全
中國研究說真的 可以扔了=.=
結果怎麼台灣媒體還一天到晚引用中國研究
更麻煩的是 他們引用的時候還不知道那是中國的
因為他們也不會去找原始論文來看
不會知道原來那是中國寫的
但像我們會去找原始論文來看
就知道很多新聞寫的"國外研究"
其實都是中國研究 可信度是要打折的
--
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